This is all I am going to say about torture

1) If there is anyone in active politics today that understands intimately the ineffectiveness of torture to gain anything beyond the satisfaction of the perversions of the captors it would be Senator McCain.
2) Not in my words, but in the words of the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
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The Church and human reason both assert the
permanent validity of the moral law during armed conflict. "The mere fact that war has regrettably broken out does not mean that everything becomes licit between the warring parties."109
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Anonymous said…
Beyond the religious, moral and ethical reasons to abhor torture, I am disturbed by the legal and political ramifications of the current “disagreement” in Washington over whether to specifically outlaw torture. What was reported here was that McCain wanted to include a prohibition of torture of “SUSPECTS” either in the US or abroad – Suspects, not convicted criminals, not known terrorists, but suspects. WTF. Cheney fought the inclusion of this prohibition as it relates to CIA in foreign countries on the basis that it would impede their effectiveness in protecting the security of the “homeland” – or did I hear “Fatherland”. So Heinrich and Adolph continue to lead the American government in a downward spiral into an Orwellian abyss, with no regard for human rights of non-Americans or for the basic freedoms of Americans, while constantly spinning the lie that America somehow holds the moral and ethical high ground. By the condoned or encouraged actions of their minions and by their objections to a very reasonable prohibition, they destroy what is left of our credibility around the globe, showing all just how hypocritical we are as we blatantly violate human rights while criticizing others for doing the same or less. If the founding fathers were to see the behavior of this administration, they would recognize our leaders as the ideological successors of the very people from whom they fought so hard to free themselves.

I think I’d rather be in China where at least we don’t have to deal with the F$#&*ing hypocrisy. In fact the general consensus here, among Europeans and Americans, is that we have far greater freedom in China than in the US at the moment. That is scary.

If McCain and / or the Democrats can’t turn this into a path to the Whitehouse, they probably don’t deserve it and we probably deserve what we get.

RC (obviously)
Nov 8, 2005, 11:55:00 AM
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